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ARITAUR DOBERMANNS HEALTH RESULTS
We will never compromise on DCM or knowingly breed a VWd Affected dog. Aritaur are the only UK Dobermann kennel to publish health results for all our tested dogs - not just current show dogs. We publish all our results, good and bad, and do not hide the bad ones. This is a work in progress and I have to use Martin's time to help me put up all certificates over each result. I am always happy to correct any errors. If we wished to hide anything, we would not have decided to openly publish all our dogs results. What about your breeder? Do they publish ALL? Worth checking! |
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A DNA VWd recording for Equinox by Genesearch in 2001, was incorrect as the only remaining progeny to be bred from was tested as a Carrier (not possible from two Clear parents). Genesearch was shut down after being sued by Vetgen and we were unable to obtain any information on lab results/procedures from them. We re-tested one other dog with Finnzymes, who had been tested Clear by Genesearch also in 2001, and results were Clear. |
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ARITAUR HEALTH TEST RESULTS |
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PARENTS |
DOB |
DCM (HEART) |
VWd |
HIPS |
PHPV (EYES) |
THYROID |
TGAA |
AGE DIED |
Crislea Centrefold of Aritaur (Juno) |
Ch Holtzburg Mayhem
x
Holtzburg Dior from Crislea |
16.01.96 - 08.01.08 |
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Carrier |
- |
Unaffected |
Normal |
- |
12. Old age |
A. Midnight Rave (Caius) |
Khaneve Rage n Honour
x
Crislea Centrefold of Aritaur |
26.12.97 |
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Clear |
(8:13) 21 |
Unaffected |
Normal |
- |
12. Lympho-Sarcoma |
A. Flip Fantasia JW (Java) |
Khaneve Rage n Honour
x
Crislea Centrefold of Aritaur |
26.12.97 |
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Carrier |
- |
Unaffected |
Normal |
- |
8. Liver Tumour |
A. Sweetest Taboo (Kenya) |
Khaneve Rage n Honour
X
Crislea Centrefold of Aritaur |
26.12.97 |
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Carrier |
- |
Unaffected |
Normal |
- |
10. Stomach Tumour |
Ch A. A Little More Soba (Riva) |
Ch Miendy's Soba Up JW
x
Crislea Centrefold of Aritaur |
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Carrier |
- |
Unaffected |
Normal |
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A. Dominatrix (Asia) |
Ger VDH Ch Ramonburg's Valdo
x
Crislea Centrefold of Aritaur |
28.06.01 |
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Clear |
(10:14) 24 |
Unaffected |
Normal |
Clear |
- |
A. Dolce Vita (Jovi) |
Ger VDH Ch Ramonburg's Valdo
x
Crislea Centrefold of Aritaur
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28.06.01 |
- |
Carrier |
HD-A not UK tested |
Unaffected |
- |
- |
- |
A. Diamante Nero (Zsa Zsa) |
Ger VDH Ch Ramonburg's Valdo
x
Crislea Centrefold of Aritaur |
28.06.01 |
Clear Oct 09 |
Clear |
(Fr) HD A + not UK tested |
Unaffected |
- |
- |
- |
A. Equinox (Bouschka) |
Drusus v Adlercrest at Heimdall (US imp)
x
Aritaur Flip Fantasia JW |
13.11.01 |
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Carrier |
(5:7) 12 |
Unaffected |
Normal |
Clear |
- |
Ken-Ti's Babalouba von Aritaur Imp (Luba) |
Int, Multi Ch Falk v Markischen Land
x
Int Ch Ramonburg's Tequila |
21.04.02 |
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Clear |
HD-A not UK tested |
Unaffected |
Normal |
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- |
A. Full Monty (Moby) |
Ch Korifey iz Zoosfery
x
A. Flip Fantasia JW |
08.11.02 |
- |
Clear |
(8:6)14 |
Unaffected |
- |
- |
- |
A. From Russia with Love |
Ch Korifey iz Zoosfery
x
A. Flip Fantasia JW |
08.11.02 |
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Clear |
(10:9)19 |
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A.Histabraq SchH3 (Bracco) |
Int, Multi, Russ Ch Tamerlan iz Slavnoi Stai
x
Ned Ch Aritaur Dominatrix |
26.02.04 |
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Clear by parentage |
(3:6) 9 |
Unaffected |
Normal ,TgAA Normal Dec 09 |
Clear |
- |
Ch A. Heracles at Brintala (Brinley) |
Int, Multi, Russ Ch Tamerlan iz Slavnoi Stai
x
Ned Ch Aritaur Dominatrix |
26.02.04 |
Clear May 09 |
Clear by parentage |
(20:19) 39 |
Unaffected |
- |
- |
- |
A. Hastra Kastra (Ella) |
Int, Multi, Russ Ch Tamerlan iz Slavnoi Stai
x
Ned Ch Aritaur Dominatrix |
26.02.04 |
- |
Clear by parentage |
(13:13) 26 |
Unaffected |
Normal May 07,TgAA Normal May 07 |
- |
- |
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Vonedstram Kwinto BH
x
Aritaur Equinox |
29.09.04 |
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Clear |
2:3 |
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- |
- |
A. Kalina (Kalina) |
Aritaur Histabraq SchH3
x
Ch A. A Little More Soba |
20.02.05 |
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Clear |
(7:4) 11 |
Unaffected |
Normal July 09,TgAA Normal July 09
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- |
A. Maverick at Darkiss (Brando)
Monorchid |
Ch A. Heracles at Brintala
x
Aritaur Diamante Nero |
18.02.05 |
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Clear by parentage |
(32:32) 64 |
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A. Marmalade Vamp at Brintala (Talia) |
Ch A. Heracles at Brintala
x
Aritaur Diamante Nero |
18.02.05 |
Clear Oct 09 |
Clear by parentage |
(3:4) 7 |
Unaffected |
Normal Mar 10. TgAA Clear Mar 10 |
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A. Nominator (Falk) |
Int, Multi, Fr Ch F'Hiram Abif Royal Bell
x
Ned Ch Aritaur Dominatrix |
22.11.05 |
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Clear by parentage |
(3:3) 6 |
Unaffected |
Normal |
Normal TgAA Normal March 09 |
- |
A. Notorious SchH1 (Max) |
Int, Multi, Fr Ch F'Hiram Abif Royal Bell
x
Ned Ch Aritaur Dominatrix |
22.11.05 |
- |
Clear by parentage |
(5:9) 14 |
Unaffected |
- |
- |
- |
A. Natrix (Trix) |
Int, Multi, Fr Ch F'Hiram Abif Royal Bell
x
Ned Ch Aritaur Dominatrix |
22.11.05 |
- |
Clear by parentage |
FCI (Ger) HD-1 and UK (3:3) 6
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Unaffected |
- |
- |
- |
A. Ophelia |
Aritaur Full Monty x Aritaur Diamond Ice |
30.11.05 |
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Carrier |
(25:23) 48 |
Unaffected |
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Knecht Jezebel von Aritaur (Tess) |
Aritaur Histabraq SchH3
x
Knecht Metz |
11.08.06 |
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Carrier |
(5:4) 9 |
Unaffected |
Normal |
- |
- |
A. Rhapsody (Chelsea) |
Aritaur Histabraq SchH3
x
Knecht Metz |
02.09.06 |
- |
Carrier |
(2:2) 4 |
Unaffected |
- |
- |
- |
A. Tarantella (Jenna) |
Int, Hung Ch Tom Dober Hagi
x
Ned Ch Aritaur Dominatrix |
19.01.07 |
- |
Clear by parentage |
(3:2) 5 |
Unaffected |
- |
- |
- |
A. Tzarevitch (Erin) |
Int, Hung Ch Tom Dober Hagi
x
Ned Ch Aritaur Dominatrix |
19.01.07 |
- |
Clear by parentage |
(7:7) 14 |
Unaffected |
- |
- |
- |
A. Tomahawk Marillium (TJ) |
Int, Hung Ch Tom Dober Hagi
x
Ned Ch Aritaur Dominatrix |
19.01.07 |
- |
Clear by parentage |
(6:7) 13 |
Unaffected |
- |
- |
- |
A. Vodkatini |
A. Nominator
x A. Hastra Kastra |
15.02.08 |
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Clear by parentage |
7:6 (13) |
Unaffected |
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A. Nominator
x A. Hastra Kastra
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15.02.08 |
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Clear by parentage |
HD- A (scored DV for ZTP) |
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A. Warlord (Luther) |
A. Nominator
x
Jojavik Save The Last Dance |
31.01.08 |
- |
Clear by parentage |
(2:5) 7 |
Unaffected |
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PARENTS |
DOB |
DCM (HEART) |
VWd |
HIPS |
PHPV (EYES) |
THYROID |
TGAA |
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We have had no known cases of DCM. Possibly Luca (Aritaur Judgement Knight from Khaneve) died an unexplained death, but although his heart was a possibility he didn't have an autopsy so it is not clear.
Aritaur are now on our 4th generation of heart testing - Juno, Asia, Bracco & Kalina, then Juno, Asia, Brinley, Zsa Zsa & Talia. All our dogs, not just the dogs we breed with, are tested annually to eighteen months. In March 10, we tested - Equinox, Dominatrix, Histabraq, Nominator, Kalina and Ken-Ti's Babalouba v Aritaur. We will post ALL results good or bad as we believe openess is the only way to eliminate this terrible disease. If you are wise with your choices, you would probably not buy a Toyota at the moment, so if you don't ask or don't care about DCM, you may unfortunately have a Dobermann who won't live very long.
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With the exception of one - Ch Aritaur Surprisingly Soba, now at 10 years old who is VWd affected (pre DNA testing), all Aritaur dogs are either Clear or Carrier. We use Finnzymes DNA testing service and our dogs are either tested, or are clear by parentage.
When we use an overseas dog, we pay for the test to be done as we did for Ger VDH Ch Ramonburg's Valdo, Int, Multi, Russ Ch Tamerlan iz Slavnoi Stai, Int, Multi, Fr Ch F'Hiram Abif Royal Bell and the last overseas sire we used - Int, Hung Ch Tom Dober Hagi.
NB We would, however, have no hesitation in using an Affected male to a Clear female. Offspring would be 100% Carrier, who in turn would later be put only to a Clear. As with other health issues, if breeders only used Clear dogs and bitches, an estimated* 60% of the gene pool would be lost which in turn would bring even worse problems to the breed in terms of the results of inevitable in-breeding. *from US estimates 1998 |
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Aritaur dogs are tested for their clinical status of Thyroid firstly by T4, then if that is inconclusive but we still suspect there may be an issue, the further tests of Baseline TSH,(Thyroid Stimulating Hormone) and/or Free T4 would be done.
Dogs and bitches from whom we breed, are also regularly tested for their hereditary status by TgAA (Thyroid Auto-immune Antibodies). This is equally important from the breeding perspective to ensure dogs are not passing on their own clinical status aswell as their hereditary status to their offfspring. |
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The breed average in the Aritaur kennel from the dogs tested to date is 16.4. To put scoring in perspective, that is out of a total possible score of 106. Our results are averaged on the basis of dogs scores 4, (2:2) to 64 (32:32). The dog with 64 moves just as well as the dog with 2:2. Genetics, nutrition and early exercise are all contributory factors on hips. Whilst it can’t of course alter the shape of the socket, the degree of laxity could be altered. Many Americans work on a system of Penn Hip Scoring which does measure exactly that, the degree of laxity. There are at least two UK vets now offering the PennHip. |
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What does all this actually mean? Does hip scoring matter or not? What does this magical figure 11.2 of the supposed breed average actually mean?! Provided you are able to take a wider view of health test results and relate them to what you actually see in reality, and not go off half cocked on one higher than average result, then yes. Although testing all Aritaur breeding dogs means we will undoubtedly bring up more good and poor results, we will continue to test in order to a) inform ourselves fully of what problems we have or don't, and b) in order that we don't combine two poor results.
If idealists were heeded, they would eliminate all dogs scoring over 11 (even those at 12 one presumes?), all VWd carriers (although they can't bleed), all dogs with low thyroid and all dogs with even low grade PHPV/PHTVL (although a dog - not one of ours resulted at 'Grade 1' recently re-tested Clear). We have produced a dog at 32:32 with a sister at 3:4. How many dogs would be left in their ideal world?! Maybe those with weak characters and DCM. Not for us thanks! The real test for us is how our dogs move, how healthy they are conformationally and how well they get around even in old age, not that their score is a particular figure.We always appreciate when owners have their Aritaur dogs health tested, as it enables us to understand the geneetic health of our breeding in full detail. |
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Our 12 year old dog Caius. (A. Midnight Rave). Caius was the first dog we ever tested and his score came back at 21 (twice the breed average). Although we just lost him in Jan 2010 aged 12 + years old, his back end was still strong and apparently healthy. Caius had a wide forechest and as you can see he walks on the outside of his feet putting great strain on his phalanges and carpus (toes and wrist). His score of total 21 never stopped him winning, producing a Champion daughter and fruitlessly chasing birds. He did not compensate for any apparent defect, he still charged around the field - a bit achy later, but at the equivalent of 80, so would we all be! |
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All the health testing in the world, and we still don't have a cure for cancer. This came up in the space of 3 weeks. Thankfully for Caius, he was still bright as a button on his last day. |
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Therefore why test if you are not going to stand by results is what we're sometimes asked? Well we do very much stand by the results because we know what we have. Unlike those who don't test, at least we know what we're dealing with and can make informed decisions about breeding combinations. We will continue to breed from dogs both below and above the breed average because whilst we do not wish to produce a dysplastic dog;.....
a) we can find no statistic or research to determine that we would produce a dysplastic dog from using a dog in eg the mid 30’s to a bitch with a low score. Using dogs with low scores produces reduces averages. High scores are still thrown up from low scoring parents.
b) we test for our own information, for those who use our dogs and those who buy puppies from us; not for others with no interest and who do not test anyway. We ARE prepared to publish our results. How many breeders who do test (pitifully few) and score with poor results would? Who can blame them? They are afraid of witch hunts. Health testing is not a competition and if you mock others less desirable results, you will people off health testing entirely.
c) we test to ensure we do not put two sets of poor hips together (a risk posed by those breeders who don’t test at all). Beware of that when you would consider using a dog who hasn’t been tested. You could find it a great deal worse than the dog who you know is higher than ‘average’ but who at least excels in other aspects.
d) we test in order to take a total view of the dog. We would not breed from a dog who had a poor hip score, was badly PHPV affected, had poor character, poor thyroid and suspected DCM. We would breed from a dog with a poorer than average hip score if it exceeded other aspects. Do not throw the baby out with the bath water.
e) with fewer than 1% of the population being hip tested each year is that really the breed average? It is well known that breeders don't send off 'poor' results. Also pre 1984, the BVA form stated "I give my permission (as the owner) to allow the KC to publish the results if they are under a total score of 8!". Now that's not ad verbatim, but all the poor pre 1984 results are not included in the statistics. Lies, damn lies and statistics are why we are not slaves to health testing!
Until every dog in every litter bred is tested we will not know what the true state of the breed is. |
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PHPV - Persistent
Hyperplastic Primary Vitreous (Eyes) - Aritaur results |
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All Aritaur dogs are PHPV Clear. We have used a dog on one of our bitches who had an estimated grade 1 PHPV result (out of a total of 6), although that in itself is slightly misleading as the UK does not (to date) operate a grading system like FCI countries around the world. The UK system is either clear or affected. The opinions of two of the BVA eye panellists were consistent that as it was a very low grade issue in the dog, any affected progeny would be unlikely to be affected to any greater degree. On that basis, we felt confident that even if we did produce any affected progeny, it would a) not be of major significance to the progeny and b) we would have the litter tested and remove any dog more seriously affected from breeding. The litter were tested, and all 9 were Clear. That is why we don't take everything as face value as we now have fabulous happy and healthy dogs in great homes. |
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HEALTH/LONGEVITY of Aritaur Dobermanns |
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One of the best indications of health of a dog
is the longevity of the relatives. Pedigrees of our
dogs can be found on each dogs page on our site. Relatives of our dogs who have died, are:
Ch Holtzburg Mayhem - died aged 9
Ch Sallate Ferris - died aged 10
Ch Tamerlan iz Slavnoi Stai (Tamer)
died June 2005 aged 8 (stomach cancer).
Crislea Centrefold of Aritaur (Juno)
- died in January 08 aged 12 (DCM tested clear on 27 Dec 06 age 11). Just got old but always stayed beautiful throughout. The most gentle of ladies - still makes us smile thinking about her and how she was with her babies. They wouldn't dare not toe the line but she never had to even lift a lip to them.
Holtzburg Dior From Crislea (Freya) - Juno's Mum
- died in June 06 aged nearly 13. A huge loss to us all, especially
her 'mum' Pat.
Holtzburg I'm a Hooligan Too (Lucy) Litter sister to Freya above - died in August 06 aged nearly 13, owned by Toni & Ian Norman.
Aritaur Flip Fantasia JW (Java)
died April 2006, aged 8 (liver failure/possible tumour). Still missing Java Binks every day.
Aritaur Sweetest Taboo (Kenya), died January 2009, aged 11 (possible stomach tumour). As with all our dogs when they die, we have their ashes box. Kenya is for once quiet - her Baskerville type scream - instead of a bark - made us all jump out of our skins! I half expect her box to start jumping when someone comes down the drive!
Aritaur Giovanna (Paige) died aged 5 (possible kidney failure). Too young and badly missed.
Aritaur Cavera Cobra (Edmund), died 12th June 2008 aged 7 (copper toxicosis). PTS on the same day as his friend Lucy. Very much missed.
Ch Aritaur A Little More Soba (Riva), died Sunday 8th November 2009 (aged 10). Riva developed pregnancy induced (or hormone related) diabetes during her last litter. She had thick cataracts, but still charged around the fields chasing down moles. Following sickness she went into a diabetic crisis and we lost her over a weekend. Maybe she did finally get that mole and he had his revenge! We miss you very much Riva.
Aritaur Midnight Rave (Caius) put to sleep aged 12 on 12th January 2010. He had an aggressive lymphosarcoma that despite our best efforts couldn't be controlled. He was munching happily on cheese with us both at his side when he went.
From our first litter December 26th 1997 - 12 years ago, 5 have died aged 8,11, 9, 10 & 12. The remaining few are still going - slightly more doddery but still very much enjoying life:-) |
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From Linda, who recently lost her and Roberts beloved boy
Tribute To A Best Friend .... Sunlight streams through window pane, unto a spot on the floor,.
then I remember, it's where you used to lie, but now you are no more.
Our feet walk down a hall of carpet, and muted echoes sound,
then I remember, it's where your paws would joyously abound.
A voice is heard along the road, and up beyond the hill,
then I remember it can't be yours.... your golden voice is still.
But I'll take that vacant spot of floor and empty muted hall
and lay them with the absent voice and unused dish along the wall.
I'll wrap these treasured memorials in a blanket of my love
and keep them for my best friend until we meet above. |
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All
text and images Copyright Aritaur Dobermanns. |
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