ARITAUR DOBERMANNS HEALTH RESULTS

We will never compromise on DCM or knowingly breed a VWd Affected dog.

Aritaur are the only UK Dobermann kennel to publish health results for all our tested dogs - not just current show dogs. We publish all our results, good and bad, and do not hide the bad ones. This is a work in progress and I have to use Martin's time to help me put up all certificates over each result. I am always happy to correct any errors. As no-one has yet bred the perfect human being, we cannot yet breed the perfect canine. We can only do our best whilst considering the overall health of the gene pool as well as the individual.

                               
DOG NAME PARENTS DOB DCM Echo tested (HEART)
DCM Gene Mutation
VWd HIPS PHPV (EYES) THYROID TGAA AGE DIED
Crislea Centrefold of Aritaur (Juno)
Ch Holtzburg Mayhem
 x
Holtzburg Dior from Crislea
16.01.96
-
Carrier
-
Unaffected
Normal
-
08.01.08 age 12. Old age
A. Midnight Rave (Caius)
Khaneve Rage n Honour
 x
Crislea Centrefold of Aritaur

26.12.97

-
Clear
(8:13) 21
Unaffected
Normal
-
12.01.10 age 12. Lympho-Sarcoma
A. Flip Fantasia JW (Java)
Khaneve Rage n Honour
 x
Crislea Centrefold of Aritaur
26.12.97
-
Carrier
-
Unaffected
Normal
-
26.04.06 age 8.5 Liver Tumour
A. Sweetest Taboo (Kenya)
Khaneve Rage n Honour
 X
Crislea Centrefold of Aritaur
26.12.97
-
Carrier
-
Unaffected
Normal
-
22.01.09 age 10 Stomach Tumour
Ch A. A Little More Soba (Riva)
Ch Miendy's Soba Up JW
 x
Crislea Centrefold of Aritaur

11.01.00

-
Carrier
-
Unaffected
Normal
-
Ned Ch. A. Dominatrix (Asia)
Ger VDH Ch Ramonburg's Valdo
 x
Crislea Centrefold of Aritaur
28.06.01
Clear
(10:14) 24
Unaffected
Normal
Clear
-
A. Dolce Vita (Jovi)
Ger VDH Ch Ramonburg's Valdo
 x
Crislea Centrefold of Aritaur
28.06.01
-
Carrier
HD-A not UK tested
Unaffected
-
-
-
A. Diamante Nero (Zsa Zsa)
Ger VDH Ch Ramonburg's Valdo
 x
Crislea Centrefold of Aritaur
28.06.01
Clear Oct 09
Clear
(Fr) HD A + not UK tested
Unaffected
-
-
-
A. Equinox (Bouschka)
Drusus v Adlercrest at Heimdall (US imp)
 x
Aritaur Flip Fantasia JW
13.11.01
Carrier
(5:7) 12
Unaffected
Normal
Clear
12.11.10 - age 9 Insulinoma - Pancreatic tumour
Ken-Ti's Babalouba von Aritaur (Imp) (Luba)
Int, Multi Ch Falk v Markischen Land
 x
Int Ch Ramonburg's Tequila
21.04.02
-
Clear
HD-A not UK tested
Unaffected
Normal
-
27.08.10 - age 9 DCM
A. Full Monty (Moby)
Ch Korifey iz Zoosfery
x
A. Flip Fantasia JW
08.11.02
-
Clear
(8:6)14
Unaffected
-
-
-
A. From Russia with Love
Ch Korifey iz Zoosfery
x
A. Flip Fantasia JW
08.11.02  
Clear
(10:9)19
       
Ch/Ir Ch A.Hipnotique (Zena)
Int, Multi, Russ Ch Tamerlan iz Slavnoi Stai
 x
Ned Ch Aritaur Dominatrix
26.02.04
Clear by parentage
04.12.10 age 7 Sudden death - probably heart failure. PM inconclusive.
Lux Ch A.Histabraq SchH3 (Bracco)
Int, Multi, Russ Ch Tamerlan iz Slavnoi Stai
 x
Ned Ch Aritaur Dominatrix
26.02.04

Gene
Mutation
Negative

Clear by parentage
(3:6) 9
Unaffected
Normal
Clear Dec 09
-
Multi Ch A. Heracles at Brintala (Brinley)
Int, Multi, Russ Ch Tamerlan iz Slavnoi Stai
 x
Ned Ch Aritaur Dominatrix
26.02.04
Clear May 09, Clear Dec 10
Clear by parentage
(20:19) 39
Unaffected
-
-
-
A. Hastra Kastra (Ella)
Int, Multi, Russ Ch Tamerlan iz Slavnoi Stai
 x
Ned Ch Aritaur Dominatrix
26.02.04
-
Clear by parentage
(13:13) 26
Unaffected
Normal May 07,TgAA Normal May 07
-
-

A. Jezebel (Chaos)

Vonedstram Kwinto BH
x
Aritaur Equinox
29.09.04
Clear
2:3
-
-
A. Kalina (Kalina)
Aritaur Histabraq SchH3
 x
Ch A. A Little More Soba
20.02.05
Clear
(7:4) 11
Unaffected

Normal July 09,TgAA Normal July 09

-
-
A. Maverick at Darkiss (Brando)

 

Ch A. Heracles at Brintala
x
Aritaur Diamante Nero
18.02.05
Clear by parentage

(32:32) 64 -Monorchid

       
A. Marmalade Vamp at Brintala (Talia)
Ch A. Heracles at Brintala
x
Aritaur Diamante Nero
18.02.05
Clear Oct 09
Clear by parentage
(3:4) 7
Unaffected
Normal Mar 10. TgAA Clear Mar 10
   
A. Nominator (Falk)
Int, Multi, Fr Ch F'Hiram Abif Royal Bell
x
Ned Ch Aritaur Dominatrix
22.11.05

Gene
Mutation
Negative

Clear by parentage
(3:3) 6
Unaffected
Normal
Normal TgAA Normal March 09
-
A. Notorious SchH1 (Max)
Int, Multi, Fr Ch F'Hiram Abif Royal Bell
x
Ned Ch Aritaur Dominatrix
22.11.05
-
Clear by parentage
(5:9) 14
Unaffected
-
-
-
A. Natrix (Trix)
Int, Multi, Fr Ch F'Hiram Abif Royal Bell
x
Ned Ch Aritaur Dominatrix
22.11.05
-
Clear by parentage

FCI (Ger) HD-1 and UK (3:3) 6

Unaffected
-
-
-
A. Ophelia
Aritaur Full Monty x Aritaur Diamond Ice
30.11.05
 
Carrier
(25:23) 48
Unaffected
     
Knecht Jezebel von Aritaur (Tess)
Aritaur Histabraq SchH3
 x
Knecht Metz
11.08.06
Carrier
(5:4) 9
Unaffected
Normal
-
-
A. Rhapsody (Chelsea)
Aritaur Histabraq SchH3
 x
Knecht Metz
02.09.06
-
Carrier
(2:2) 4
Unaffected
-
-
-
A. Tarantella (Jenna)
Int, Hung Ch Tom Dober Hagi
x
Ned Ch Aritaur Dominatrix
19.01.07
-
Clear by parentage
HD-A (FCI)
Unaffected
-
-
-
A. Tzarevitch (Erin)
Int, Hung Ch Tom Dober Hagi
x
Ned Ch Aritaur Dominatrix
19.01.07
-
Clear by parentage
(7:7) 14
Unaffected
-
-
-
Ir Ch A. Tomahawk Marillium (TJ)
Int, Hung Ch Tom Dober Hagi
x
Ned Ch Aritaur Dominatrix
19.01.07
-
Clear by parentage
(6:7) 13
Unaffected
-
-
-
A. Vodkatini (Ava)
A. Nominator
x A. Hastra Kastra
15.02.08
 

Gene
Mutation
Negative

Clear by parentage
7:6 (13)
Unaffected
Normal
Clear June 20
 

A. Vincent Vega (Flynn)

A. Nominator
x A. Hastra Kastra
15.02.08
 

Gene
Mutation
Negative

Clear by parentage
HD- A (scored DV for ZTP)
Affected - Grade 1
     

A. Vladislav (Brandy)

A. Nominator
x A. Hastra Kastra
15.02.08
 
Clear by parentage

Hips A:A, Elbows 0:0 (Fin KC)

Unaffected
     
A. Warlord (Luther)
A. Nominator
x
Jojavik Save The Last Dance
31.01.08
-
Clear by parentage
(2:5) 7
Unaffected
-
-
-
Leibwache Honey Hustler to Aritaur 'Honey'
A. Nominator x Khaneve Chicago Flirt at Leibwache
12.03.08
 

Gene
Mutation
Negative

Clear
 
Clear
     
A. Philosophy 'Jagger'
A. Nominator x A. Solitaire
10.12.09     Clear by parentage 5.5 (10) Clear      
DOG NAME PARENTS DOB DCM Echo tested (HEART)
DCM Gene Mutation
VWd HIPS PHPV (EYES) THYROID TGAA AGE/ DIED
                             

We have had one known case of DCM in 13 years of breeding, which was Aritaur Hipnotique who died 04.11.10 aged 7, sadly in whelp.

Aritaur are now on our 4th generation of Cardio ultrasound testing - Juno, Asia, Bracco & Kalina, then Juno, Asia, Brinley, Zsa Zsa & Talia. All our dogs, not just the dogs we breed with, are Echo Cariograph tested around every 18 months. In March 2010, we tested - Equinox, Dominatrix, Histabraq, Nominator, Kalina and Ken-Ti's Babalouba v Aritaur. ALL results good or bad are always posted.

All Aritaur dogs DNA tested for the recently discovered DCM gene mutation are Negative- click HERE for details. We will also continue to Echo test all our dogs in conjunction with gene testing.

DNA test results provide Negative, Positive Heterozygous (one copy of the gene mutation) or Positive Homozygous (two copies of the gene mutation).
 
Remember that even Negative dogs might die of DCM because the ‘other’ affected gene has not yet been identified, and that can only be done with more testing, however, what this test can tell us is that having identified Positive Het we will know not to mate two genetically Affected dogs together. Progeny from two Affected dogs WILL develop DCM and die prematurely. Aritaur would not mate or use a dog who is Positive Homozygous.
We will continue to Echo cardio test because DNA is not a 100% test yet. If your dog does come back with a Positive result, it does not mean your dog will develop DCM, but does mean that you should continue regular cardio testing.

As dogs who do develop DCM do not usually display signs until they are at least 5, I have never personally seen much benefit in testing dogs under that age, unless we have some reason to suspect occult DCM. Martin feels differently about that, and there is a very strong point that a young dog could sire a lot of puppies, so we are both very keen to use this new DNA test rather than physically cardio testing young dogs to help reduce the risk of future DCM development. We would then naturally start echo testing from 5.

Results can be published on the DPCA (Doberman Pinscher Club of America) DCM database, or kept confidential. As we would have said to every one of you when you bought dogs from us or used our dogs - we strongly believe in health testing whilst considering the overall health of the gene pool. We will be offering full disclosure of our results as we would never want to breed with a dog with the disease or to cause DCM anyway.

MESSAGE TO OWNERS OF ARITAUR DOGS AND THEIR PROGENY: I have a number of DCM DNA cheek swab test kits here in the hope that owners of Aritaur related dogs and our friends will have your dogs ‘DNA DCM’ tested so we can all progress determinedly to reducing and ultimately eliminating DCM. The cost to the lab in the US is $60 or if we submit in batches of 5 or more at once, the cost is $51 each. Just a bit more than the cost of entering a show, or maybe one of your charitable causes for the year? If you are an Aritaur owner, please let me know either through the Aritaur forum or directly, if you want me to send you a kit.

Remembering our adored Luba (Ken-Ti’s Babalouba v Aritaur, Bel Imp) who we lost in 2011to DCM, and to all the other heartbroken owners and friends who have lost dogs to DCM. Mostly to all our beloved breed who shouldn’t have to suffer this disease.

 

With the exception of one - Ch Aritaur Surprisingly Soba, now nearly 11 years old who is VWd affected (pre DNA testing), all Aritaur dogs are either Clear or Carrier. We use Finnzymes DNA testing service and our dogs are either tested, or are clear by parentage.

When we use an overseas dog, we pay for the test to be done as we did for Ger VDH Ch Ramonburg's Valdo, Int, Multi, Russ Ch Tamerlan iz Slavnoi Stai, Int, Multi, Fr Ch F'Hiram Abif Royal Bell and Int, Hung Ch Tom Dober Hagi all of whom were Clear.

NB We would, however, have no hesitation in using an Affected male to a Clear female. Offspring would be 100% Carrier, who in turn would later be put only to a Clear.

As with other health issues, if breeders only used Clear dogs and bitches, an estimated* 60% of the gene pool would be lost which in turn would bring even worse problems to the breed in terms of the results of inevitable in-breeding. *from US estimates 1998

 
Hypothyroidism - Aritaur results

Aritaur dogs are tested for their clinical status of Thyroid firstly by T4, then if that is inconclusive but we still suspect there may be an issue, the further tests of Baseline TSH,(Thyroid Stimulating Hormone) and/or Free T4 would be done.

Dogs and bitches from whom we breed, are also regularly tested for their hereditary status by TgAA (Thyroid Auto-immune Antibodies). This is important from the breeding perspective to ensure dogs are not passing on their hereditary status to their progeny.

 
Hip Dysplasia - HD - Aritaur results
 

The breed average in the Aritaur kennel from the dogs tested to date is 16.4. To put scoring in perspective, that is out of a total possible score of 106. Our results are averaged on the basis of dogs scoring 4, (2:2) to 64 (32:32). Genetics, nutrition and early exercise are all contributory factors on hips. Whilst it can’t of course alter the shape of the socket, the degree of laxity could be altered. Many Americans use a system of Penn Hip Scoring which does measure the degree of laxity. There are at least two UK vets now offering the PennHip.

   
 

What does all this actually mean? Does hip scoring matter or not? What does this magical figure 10 (or now 11.75) of the supposed breed average actually mean?! Provided you are able to take a wider view of health test results and relate them to what you actually see in reality, and not go off half cocked on one higher than average result, then yes. Although testing all Aritaur breeding dogs means we will undoubtedly bring up more good and poor results, we will continue to test in order to a) inform ourselves fully of what problems we have or don't, and b) in order that we don't combine two poor results.

If idealists were heeded, they would eliminate all dogs scoring over 11 (even those at 12 one presumes?), all VWd carriers (although they can't bleed), all dogs with low thyroid and all dogs with even low grade PHPV/PHTVL. We have produced a dog hip scored at 32:32, whose sister is 3:4. How many dogs would be left in their ideal world?! Maybe those with weak characters and DCM. Not for us thanks!

The real test for us is how our dogs move, how healthy they are conformationally, how well they get around even in old age, and how old they live to. Not that their score is a particular figure.We always appreciate when owners have their Aritaur dogs health tested, as it enables us to understand the genetic health of our breeding in full detail.

   
   
Our 12 year old dog Caius. (A. Midnight Rave). Caius was the first dog we ever tested and his score came back at 21 (twice the breed average). Although we just lost him in Jan 2010 aged 12 + years old, his back end was still strong and apparently healthy. Caius had a wide forechest and as you can see he walks on the outside of his feet putting great strain on his phalanges and carpus (toes and wrist). His score of total 21 never stopped him winning, producing a Champion daughter and fruitlessly chasing birds. He did not compensate for any apparent defect, he still charged around the field - a bit achy later, but at the equivalent of 80, so would we all be!
     
     
All the health testing in the world, and we still don't have a cure for cancer. This came up in the space of 3 weeks. Thankfully for Caius, he was still bright as a button on his last day.

Why test if you are not going to stand by results is what we're sometimes asked? Well we do very much stand by the results because we know what we have. Unlike those who don't test, at least we know what we're dealing with and can make informed decisions about breeding combinations. We will continue to breed from dogs both below and above the breed average (WITHIN REASON) because whilst we do not wish to produce a dysplastic dog;.....

a) there are no statistics evidencing that a dysplastic dog is produced from using a dog in eg the mid 30’s to a bitch with a low score. Using dogs with low scores produces reduces averages in the litter and population. High scores are still thrown up from low scoring parents.
b) we test to ensure we do not put two sets of poor hips together (a risk posed by those breeders who don’t test at all). Beware of that when you would consider using a dog who hasn’t been tested. You could find it a great deal worse than the dog who you know is higher than ‘average’ but who at least excels in other aspects.
c)we test for our own information, for those who use our dogs and those who buy puppies from us; not for others with no interest and who do not test anyway. We ARE prepared to publish our results. Health testing is not a competition and if breeders mock other breeders less desirable results, they will succed in putting breeders off health testing or concealing their poor results.
d) we test in order to take a total view of the dog. We would not breed from a dog who had a poor hip score, was badly PHPV affected, had poor character, poor thyroid and suspected DCM. We would breed from a dog with a poorer than average hip score (within reason) if it exceeded other aspects. Do not throw the baby out with the bath water.
e) with fewer than 1% of the population being hip tested each year is that really the breed average? It is well known that breeders don't send off 'poor' results. Also pre 1984, the BVA form stated "I give my permission (as the owner) to allow the KC to publish the results if they are under a total score of 8!". Now that's not ad verbatim, but all the poor pre 1984 results are not included in the statistics. Lies, damn lies and statistics are why we are not slaves to health testing!

Until every dog in every litter bred is tested no-one will know what the true state of the breed is. We would never breed from any dog so badly affected with a disease that there is a strong likelihood of inheritance of that disease. It is our aim to avoid health problems in a rational and considered manner.

 
PHPV - Persistent Hyperplastic Primary Vitreous (Eyes) - Aritaur results
 

Testing for PHPV tells you only what the dog's clinical status is, not what he/she will produce. Nor can it do so unless a gene is identified and DNA testing exists. One of our dogs recently PHPV tested has come back as Affected (from two Clear parents). All other FCI countries operate a grading system - quite rightly differentiating between a Grade 1 (low) and Grade 6 (high/blind). We were relieved to know that the dog has only a small thread of membrane which in John Goodyear's opinion would not even be a Grade 1 in Europe. I have spoken to the Kennel Club health department about the anomaly of lack of grading of our breed in the UK - other breeds are graded, - as such draconian testing is detrimental and unhelpful.

We have previously used a PHPV (again Grade 1 equivalent) Affected dog on a PHPV Clear bitch. The opinions of two of the BVA eye panellists were consistent that as it was a very low grade in the dog, any Affected progeny would be unlikely to be affected to any greater degree. On that basis, we felt confident that even if we did produce any affected progeny, it would a) not be of major significance to the progeny and b) we would have the litter tested to identify their status. The litter were tested by John Goodyear, and all 9 were Clear. That is why we don't take everything as face value as we now have 9 super happy and healthy dogs in great homes.

 
HEALTH/LONGEVITY of Aritaur Dobermanns

One of the best indications of health of a dog is the longevity of the relatives. Pedigrees of our dogs can be found on each dogs page on our site. Relatives of our dogs who have died, are:

Ch Holtzburg Mayhem - died aged 9

Ch Sallate Ferris - died aged 10

Ch Tamerlan iz Slavnoi Stai (Tamer) died June 2005 aged 8 (stomach cancer).

Crislea Centrefold of Aritaur (Juno) - died in January 08 aged 12 (DCM tested clear on 27 Dec 06 age 11). Just got old but always stayed beautiful throughout. The most gentle of ladies - still makes us smile thinking about her and how she was with her babies. They wouldn't dare not toe the line but she never had to even lift a lip to them.

Holtzburg Dior From Crislea (Freya) - Juno's Mum - died in June 06 aged nearly 13. A huge loss to us all, especially her 'mum' Pat.

Holtzburg I'm a Hooligan Too (Lucy) Litter sister to Freya above - died in August 06 aged nearly 13, owned by Toni & Ian Norman.

Aritaur Flip Fantasia JW (Java) died April 2006, aged 8 (liver failure/possible tumour). Still missing Java Binks every day.

Aritaur Sweetest Taboo (Kenya), died January 2009, aged 11 (possible stomach tumour). As with all our dogs when they die, we have their ashes box. Kenya is for once quiet - her Baskerville type scream - instead of a bark - made us all jump out of our skins! I half expect her box to start jumping when someone comes down the drive!

Aritaur Giovanna (Paige) died aged 5 (possible kidney failure). Too young and badly missed.

Aritaur Cavera Cobra (Edmund), died 12th June 2008 aged 7 (copper toxicosis). PTS on the same day as his friend Lucy. Very much missed.

Ch Aritaur A Little More Soba (Riva), died Sunday 8th November 2009 (aged 10). Riva developed pregnancy induced (or hormone related) diabetes during her last litter. She had thick cataracts, but still charged around the fields chasing down moles. Following a sickness she went into a diabetic crisis and we lost her over a weekend. Maybe she did finally get that mole and he had his revenge! We miss you very much Riva.

Aritaur Midnight Rave (Caius) put to sleep aged 12 on 12th January 2010. He had an aggressive lymphosarcoma that despite our best efforts couldn't be controlled. He was munching happily on cheese with us both at his side when he went.

From our first litter December 26th 1997 - 12 years ago, 5 have died aged 8, 9, three at 10, two at 11, nearly 12. The remaining few are still going - slightly more doddery but still very much enjoying life:-)

 

From Linda, who recently lost her and Roberts beloved boy

Tribute To A Best Friend ....

Sunlight streams through window pane, unto a spot on the floor,.
then I remember, it's where you used to lie, but now you are no more.
Our feet walk down a hall of carpet, and muted echoes sound,
then I remember, it's where your paws would joyously abound.
A voice is heard along the road, and up beyond the hill,
then I remember it can't be yours.... your golden voice is still.
But I'll take that vacant spot of floor and empty muted hall
and lay them with the absent voice and unused dish along the wall.
I'll wrap these treasured memorials in a blanket of my love
and keep them for my best friend until we meet above.

   
 
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